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Betz Talks of Westminster Park, Asks City to Control Park

Note: As stated in the Encampment Update last week, Westminster Senior Center Park has grown in number of tenters. Update didn’t know one could sleep in a park. Thought this was against the law.  So many laws have been twisted and bent, one has trouble knowing the laws and the ones being enforced. One person last week reported increased crime activity in the area. Now John Betz, who lives adjacent to the park , has written Morgan Bostic, Venice Deputy, asking the council office to do something about it.  People are getting tired of laws being bent and of the lawlessness of the homeless as reported recently in the LA Times survey.

The law affecting parks hours of operation is LAMC 63.44, and if Westminster is governed by this law,  the park should be closed at 10:30 pm.


(Photo by John Betz.)

By John Betz

I am John Betz.  I live at 1006 Pacific Avenue in Venice, 1/2 block from the Westminster Park.  I have been watching a permanent encampment grow in the Westminster Park along Pacific Avenue over the past several months.  These pictures were taken at 7 am this morning.  They show tents, mattresses, appliances, trash, broken furniture, bicycle parts, and God knows what else strewn throughout the park. These people have generators running and other evidence that this is not “day use” of the park – it is a permanent encampment, which is not legal, not even for the unhoused under our current interpretation of the law.

The current law as I understand it:
It is not legal for anyone to erect tents in the park overnight (sunset to sunrise).Tents, even those on public property, must be taken down from 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. and there must be at least 36 inches of clearance on sidewalks.

The illegal behavior in the Park:
The behaviors that have been going on in the Westminster Park are not legal.  The tents you see in this picture are there all day and all night, every day and every night.  I know – I check at all hours.  I have checked at midnight.  I have checked at 3 a.m.  Many remain in the park day and night, 24/7.  Those that are on the sidewalk remain up all day and on many days block the entire sidewalk to pedestrian traffic.  Many I have spoken with are afraid to even walk by or enter the park, particularly women and children.

I and my neighbors have placed many calls to LAPD over the past months but little has changed. I see police cars drive by the park multiple times a day and do nothing, despite our calls.  As it stands today, most feel our park is not safe to play in or walk through.  None in our community is able to use it (except for the handful of illegal squatters who are monopolizing this resource).

Local crime is up.  According to my informal observations crime in our neighborhood has increased.  I have had two occasions in the past few weeks when someone jumped my nine foot fence and rifled through and stole our personal property.  On one of these occasions, a bicycle was stolen.  A couple of days ago when my wife was trying to leave our house some drug-crazed squatter from the park was standing outside our garage door and fence literally growling at her and refused to move. She could not back her car out of the garage and was concerned for her safety and the safety of our son.  And the number of threatening confrontations I have had during my daily life around our house with drugged out street psychos has also increased during the past months.  This is not satisfactory on any level.  But it is the same pattern we see over and over.  Whenever an encampment is allowed to fester in our neighborhood, these ancillary crime and safety problems come with it.

When it comes to the homeless problem in our community, we try to take an understanding and compassionate approach to the associated problems, both those that the CIty is faced with and those that our community is faced with.  But, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that what is going on in the park is a blatant violation of the law that goes beyond the pale of reasonableness.  This true despite Boise, despite Jones Act, despite all of it.  This is not a case of the police not being able to do anything – this is a case of the police (and the City) CHOOSING to do nothing.  You have the tools, please use them.  This is particularly important when one considers that this is all going on within a block of an elementary school.

I have been watching this train wreck for several months and taken what I consider mild and appropriate action to try to get some corrective assistance from the City and from LAPD.  But as is usually the case in Los Angeles, we residents always have to escalate our complaint to get anything accomplished.  Consider this email my first step in the escalation continuum.

CAO Analyzes Five Storage Options for Venice Homeless

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Westminster Senior Center on Pacific between Westminster and Clubhouse.

Interim City Administrative Officer Richard H. Llewellyn, Jr. answered Councilman Mike Bonin’s request for analysis of five storage options for storage of homeless stuff.  This is the analysis from the CAO of five systems to create storage capacity for homeless in Venice.

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Analysis for each option is presented.

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Betz Upset with Tenters and Vagrants in Park and LAPD Does Not Move Them

John Betz is once again beset by the flagrant oversight of the Los Angeles Police Department to keep the Westminster Park/Westminster Senior Center free of “tenters” and vagrants and also the area bordering Westminster Elementary School.

The law states that one cannot be in the park after closing, cannot sleep in the park, cannot erect a tent in the park. Yet.

Councilman Gilbert Gedillo of the LA City Homeless and Poverty, made the motion that Homeless encampments adjacent to school facilities continue to interfere with the City’s mission of safe and clean routes to schools. State of California Penal Code Section 626 defines ‘Safe School Zones’ as property within 1500 feet of a school. Yet.

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“For the past two weeks two “traveling” lads, who I would estimate are about 28 years old, are living out of their car, and have been sleeping in a tent in the Westminster Park,” wrote John Betz. “And it is on Main Street right across the streets from the Westminster School. It is easy to find – right under the “School Crosswalk” sign meant to keep the school children safe while crossing the street (oh, the irony).

“I have called LAPD about 5 or 6 times to report this, usually at about 4 am when enforcement should be easy because no one is supposed to be sleeping in the park at night, but no results–apparently nothing meaningful has been done.

“I don’t understand why our community has to put up with this. The winter shelter is open and there were plenty of beds available last night, 17 Dec, (80 open beds at the shelter and 21 openings at S.H.A.R.E.). So why is this going on for so long? Why will the police not do anything? It is illegal to camp in the park and these people have a place to go. And now, because of LAPD inaction the problem in our park is growing, as it always does when the City turns a blind eye.

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“This is what one mom found recently walking her child to school. The fence is the elementary school fence.”

Really? — Mommy, Daddy Explain This

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(Photo by Heidi Roberts.)

Motor home parked at Westminster Senior Center across the street from Westminster Elementary School that teaches 400 children a day under age 11. This picture is in full view of any child walking to and fro the school.

The oversize vehicle signs have been ordered and supposedly have had a rush put on them.

Taylor Bazley on 26 August wrote: “Westminster and the North side of Main bordering the park have been petitioned for and signs are in the process. We have made it as abundantly clear as possible to the DOT that the signs along Westminster are the highest priority signs for our constituents so we are hopeful they will be erected soon.”

Community Behind “Venice Kids Count” vs. City of Los Angeles

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“Venice Kids Count,” a broad coalition of neighbors, parents, and residents in Venice, filed suit against the City of Los Angeles last Wednesday to stop the city from illegally converting the Westminster Senior Center into a storage and services hub for the homeless. Update came out with a special edition that day.

Less than a week has passed and several members of the coalition and nearby residents were asked what had transpired since the law suit. Many did not feel comfortable commenting publicly.

Community Response Since Suit

“We’ve received so much support from the community, both in donations as well as ideas and energy,” said Heidi Roberts. “People are astonished that the City would even consider opening this facility just 250 feet from multiple schools. And these people are furious when they learn it’s illegal and the City has tried to sneak it through, bypassing standard permits and checks.

“For years, the City of Los Angeles did nothing to help homeless people. In fact, their obsession with hyper-development caused so much of it. And now that they are finally being forced to address the crisis of homelessness, they’re acting out of desperation. As Bonin says ‘something’s better than nothing.’ That’s pretty tough for parents of those 400+ school kids to hear. We get that the City has to take steps to help the homeless, but not at the expense of Venice kids. That’s lunacy.”

“Lot of activity about the law suit,” said Reta Moser of Venice Update. “The story is widely read on the web. Ray Lopez, producer of John and Ken show emailed the other day about getting someone to talk with regarding the placement of the storage near the school. His statement was ‘What a ridiculous plan and no way it should be near your neighborhood school.’ Update remains neutral so several names were given to him for contacting.”

However, Update has stated publicly that it supports the Mobile Storage Plan proposed and vetted by the Venice Neighborhood Council (VNC) Homeless Committee.

Center Surrounded by Residents and the Westminster School

Westminster Senior Center, between Pacific and Main at Westminster, is adjacent to residential properties on three sides and the Westminster Elementary School where 400 children go to school on one side. The Westminster center has been home to the must loved dog park.

The City is planning to open the storage facility in the senior center on November 1.

Court said Playground, Recreation

A Court Order, issued in 1950 by the Superior Court of California, expressly prohibits this kind of conversion from a public park to a storage and services hub for the homeless. The Court Order states that the park should be used for “public playground and recreation purposes” only.

The VNC voted against repurposing the senior center and proposed a mobile storage and outreach solution modeled on successful programs in other cities to address the needs of the homeless and community concerns regarding school safety and the preservation of recreational resources.

“While we understand the City of Los Angeles needs to do something to help the homeless, importing hundreds of homeless to this community, right next to a school where hundreds of children spend every day is a careless choice,” said Katrina Glusac, a parent of a Westminster Elementary student and member of ‘Venice Kids Count’. “Especially since there are options that would provide the services without sacrificing the safety of our kids.”

Go to http://www.venicekidscount.org/ for facts, contact information, background, opportunity to donate.

“Venice Kids Count” Filed Suit Against the City of Los Angeles Today

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Photo of Westminster Senior Center taken minutes after hearing of the suit Venice Kids Count vs. City of Los Angeles.

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Shows proximity of the school across the street from the center.

“Venice Kids Count,” a broad coalition of neighbors, parents, and residents in Venice, filed suit against the City of Los Angeles today to stop the city from illegally converting the Westminster Senior Center into a storage and services hub for the homeless.

The center is in a public park that is bordered by Westminster Elementary School, where more than 400 children attend school, and is just one block from a pre-school. It is also home to the Westminster Dog Park, which has been a popular gathering place for local families for decades. The city is planning to open the storage facility in the senior center on November 1.

A Court Order, issued in 1950 by the Superior Court of California, expressly prohibits this kind of conversion from a public park to a storage and services hub for the homeless. The Court Order states that the park should be used for “public playground and recreation purposes” only.

The conversion is part of a broader plan proposed by Councilperson Mike Bonin (CD-11) to install an extensive network of resources for the homeless in Venice over the next several months, including new housing projects on Venice Boulevard and Thatcher Avenue, 24-hour restroom and shower facilities on the Venice Boardwalk, designated overnight parking with restroom access, and mobile shower facilities.

The Venice Neighborhood Council (VNC) voted against repurposing the senior center and proposed a mobile storage and outreach solution modeled on successful programs in other cities to address the needs of the homeless and community concerns regarding school safety and the preservation of recreational resources.

“The VNC Homeless Committee created and vetted an innovative mobile storage program that brings the storage solution – complete with street outreach teams – directly to the homeless, when and where they need it,” said Heidi Roberts. “It’s a great program that can be scaled to address the needs of the city’s homeless and expanded beyond Venice in a cost-effective and efficient way. It’s a win-win.”

However, Bonin declined to delay conversion of the senior center to consider the VNC’s proposal.

“While we understand the City of Los Angeles needs to do something to help the homeless, importing hundreds of homeless to this community, right next to a school where hundreds of children spend every day is a careless choice,” said Katrina Glusac, a parent of a Westminster Elementary student and member of ‘Venice Kids Count’. “Especially since there are options that would provide the services without sacrificing the safety of our kids.”

Go to http://www.venicekidscount.org/ for contact information, facts, background, and opportunity to donate.

Mike’s Plan for “Ending Homelessness in Venice” on Prop HHH Brochure

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Councilman Mike Bonin presented his plan to End Homelessness in Venice, 29 March of this year. It has since been dubbed “Mike’s Plan” and the Councilman now refers to it as Mike’s Plan.

 

Councilman Mike Bonin has a mailer coming out in support of Proposition HHH, which would according to the brochure, “authorize $1.2 billion in bonds to build permanent supportive housing and affordable housing for people who are homeless or at risk of becoming homeless.” This money would be used to pay for the projects proposed in Venice.

Note: The Councilman asked if Update would post his brochure. Update posts flyers but this brochure-flyer could not be duplicated. Also Update does not normally print Proposition information but since this pertains to Venice and the homeless, the facts and figures have been reproduced here but not the photos.

Data from 2016 LAHSA Homeless Count

In Los Angeles there are 28,464 homeless individuals, of which 21,338 are not sheltered. Females make up 33 percent, males 67 percent

In Venice there are 758 homeless individuals, 72 family members. Females make up 19 percent, males 81 percent.

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This is a breakdown of the ages.

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This is a breakdown of the circumstances.

 

Mike’s Plan

BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING

MTA BUS YARD

Mike and Supervisor Sheila Kuehl have proposed that the former bus yard located at 100 Sunset Avenue in Venice be turned into housing, with a significant portion dedicated to affordable housing for people making at most 60% of the area median income (about $33,000 a year).

CITY PROPERTIES

The City is asking affordable housing developers to evaluate every city-owned property that is surplus, vacant or under-used and consider proposing housing there (alternatively, the city may sell the properties and use the funds to build housing elsewhere). The first round of properties under consideration are: a former Fire Station in Westchester, a former Animal Shelter in West LA, the former Street Services Yard in the Oxford Triangle, and the parking lot on the Venice Boulevard median.

 

PROVIDE HOMELESS HOUSING

WESTSIDE HOUSING

The neighboring community of Del Rey has recently welcomed a series of housing projects for the home- less, including: PATH Villas (23 units), Gateway Apartments (21 units) and Del Rey Square (12 units).

DELL/PACIFIC LOT

Mike is proposing building housing for the homeless at the surface parking lot located between North and South Venice Boulevard and Pacific and Dell avenues.

VENICE FORWARD

Venice Forward is a new collaborative created to more rapidly move people into housing. The cooperative venture between government, social service agencies, businesses, and residents embraces the “Housing First” philosophy, which rapidly moves people into housing and supportive services.

EXPANDING RAPID REHOUSING

The City is expanding its funding for Rapid Rehousing – rental subsidies and services. RRH is the most effective and efficient intervention for more than 50 percent of homeless individuals and families. RRH is also more cost effective than other options.

 

EXPANDED SERVICES AND OUTREACH

TREATING MENTAL ILLNESS

The County Department of Mental Health has reopened Exodus Recovery Treatment facility, and now offers Urgent Care beds for those in a mental health crisis. Additionally, the County funds and St. Joseph Center operates the Venice Chronic Homeless Assertive Case Management Team — an intensive Mental Health unit that focuses on treating the most vulnerable individuals on the street.

HEALTHCARE

Integrated mobile health teams now provide street-based health and mental health treatment to chronically homeless and severely mentally ill individuals in Venice. Integrated teams (supported by the County, City, and local nonprofits) reduce the number of costly emergency room visits by people living on the street.

TRAINING FIRST RESPONDERS

LAPD Officers are now being trained on how to best respond when interacting with people who might have a mental illness. Special teams include officers and mental health professionals who help assess people with mental illness in the field. LAPD and Bureau of Sanitation officials are now also working with homeless outreach specialists to provide shelter and housing to people living on the streets.

211 AND VENICE FORWARD

People concerned about homeless neighbors or people in crisis living on the streets can log on to www. VeniceForward.org to ask a service provider to respond. Residents may also call the County’s 211 line, and after selecting their language, dial 7 to be connected to a community resource adviser.

OUTREACH TEAMS

The City recently added additional Homeless Emergency Response Teams to offer services to people who are homeless or at risk of experiencing homelessness, including direct emergency services and transportation, shelter, and outreach services to homeless encampment dwellers. Mike is supporting the work of LAPD Chaplains Regina and Steve Weller with a $62,000 grant. The Wellers have placed hundreds of homeless people in housing, focusing on family reunification and shared housing placements.

 

STREET STRATEGY

STORAGE

In order to keep our streets and sidewalks clean, the courts have made it clear that the City needs to offer people who are homeless alternatives to leaving their belongings on sidewalks. The City is asking Chrysalis to operate a voluntary storage program at the former Westminster Senior Center on Pacific Avenue.

SHOWERS

Lava Mae, a San Francisco-based non-profit that provides mobile showers for people who are homeless, is planning to launch a pilot program in Venice this fall.

BATHROOMS

The Department of Recreation & Parks will be opening some of the beach restrooms 24 hours per day to allow tourists and people who are homeless an alternative to defecating on public and private property.

SAFE PARKING

The City Council is considering legislation to create a program similar to one operated in Santa Barbara, allowing small numbers of people who live in their cars or RVs to park safely in non-profit, church or city parking lots overnight, where they have access to restrooms and can be connected with service providers.

 

PRESERVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING

 

MELLO ACT REFORM

Mike has proposed legislation to reform and strengthen the Mello Act, the law that protects affordable housing in the coastal zone, making it harder for developers to reduce or eliminate affordable housing in Venice.

SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS

Mike has proposed legislation governing short-term rentals, preventing rogue operators from buying entire buildings, removing rental and affordable units from the market and converting apartments into permanent short-term rentals.

 

When is a Plan Not a Plan? — Westminster Senior Center/Homeless Storage Facility

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Westminsten Senior Center being redone for? — Storage of Homeless Stuff

By Darryl DuFay

• WHEN YOU ARE DISCUSSING HOMELESS STORAGE AT THE FORMER WESTMINISTER SENIOR CITIZENS CENTER ON PACIFIC AVE, WHICH IS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ACROSS FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL

• WHEN THE LEGALITY OF THE USE OF THE SITE FOR STORAGE HAS BEEN CHALLENGED

• WHEN THE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT ARE IN QUESTION AND NOT AVAILABLE

• WHEN THERE ARE NO DRAWINGS, NO COSTS, AND NO TIMELINES

• WHEN THE CONTRACT FOR THE OPERATOR “CHRYSALIS” IS NOT AVAILABLE

• WHEN THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNITY IMPACT REPORT OR FEASIBILTY STUDY

• WHEN THE FINDINGS OF LOS ANGELES HOMELESS SERVICES AUTHORIY (LAHSA) DECLARES THAT THE VENICE SITE DOES NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE TO CO-LOCATE OTHER SERVICES OTHER THAN BINS

• WHEN WORK PROCEEDS ON THE PROJECT UNDER THE GUISE OF MAINTENANCE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF RECREATION AND PARKS

• WHEN AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN FOR MOBILE STORAGE HAS BEEN PRESENTED

• WHEN FRIVOLOUS AND CHAOTIC MEETINGS ARE HELD BY REC AND PARKS

• WHEN THE CITY DOESN’T FOLLOW THE “COMPREHENSIVE HOMELESS STRATEGIES” THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GUIDING THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES:

6A – Facilities Co-Locate Services Within Homeless Storage Facilities & Create New Facilities
6D – Facilities Identify Public Land for Homeless Facilities
6E – Facilities Homeless Navigation Centers
7D – Housing Using Public Land for Affordable and Homeless Housing

• WHEN WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR OFFICER’S (CAO) REQUIRED EVALUATIONS FOR CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. THIS IS A COMMON TOOL ESTABLISHED BY THE CAO AND LAHSA TO STANDARDIZE THE SITE EVALUATION PROCESS:

1. Sites are identified as potential storage/service candidates by Council motion
2. CAO conducts an initial review to determine site appropriateness
3. If further review is appropriate, CAO conducts a site visit with LAHSA, BOE, Council Office and any other stakeholders
4. Bureau of Engineering (BOE) performs initial cost estimate and submits to the CAO
5. CAO inputs certain information into scorecards and submits to LAHSA
6. LAHSA reviews the site for homeless-issues specific analysis and sends the scorecard back to the CAO
7. CAO finalizes the scorecard and distributes the scorecard back to the Council offices; and Council offices determine next steps based upon CAO and LAHSA analysis.

Councilman Bonin Responds Regarding Mobile Storage Program

Councilman Mike Bonin responded to the Homeless Committee, via Chair Will Hawkins, regarding the Mobile Storage program that the group conceived for the homeless.

“As I stated last night, I welcome your committee’s suggestion of a mobile version of the storage program, and I am asking the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority (LAHSA), Chrysalis and the City Administrative Officer (CAO) to evaluate the concept, the required resources, and the time required to make the program operational,”  he wrote.

Last night at the Homeless Town Hall put on by Councilman Mike Bonin, the Westminster Senior Center took center stage for the comments even though the senior center is to be the subject of the Town Hall 15 September.

See the story.   The flyer in the story was passed out by members of the homeless committee at the meeting.  Will Hawkins, chair of the committee, emailed some people and the email was printed at the end of the story.  Apparently, the email got to the councilman and he responded with the statement that LAHSA,  Chrysalis, and the City Administrative Officer would be evaluating the concept.

Bonin also stated he would like a formal presentation of the mobile program either at 15 September meet or before for LAHSA, Chrysalis and the CAO.

Bonin appears to be pressured to get the Westminster Senior Center up and functional before the November shelter opens even though the deed restricts such use and even though the Venice Neighborhood Council voted overwhelmingly against the use of the senior center. And the storage program at the paddle courts has been operational all year and will continue to be as it was last year.

It is imperative for such a program to be operational when the emergency winter shelter program begins in November or December. While we evaluate your proposed alternative, I support the use of the former senior center.  If your alternative proves feasible and meets the same objectives, I’d be happy to move to it instead.

Pardue Comments on Town Hall, Westminster Senior Center

By Kevin “Kip” Pardue

Just wanted to send out a quick recap of last night’s meeting with Bonin for those of you who were not able to attend…

Bonin opened with a report on general homelessness in LA and the county. It was the usual evidence that permanent supportive housing works, needs to be built, and is the focus for the future. He talked about things to do today – what he calls “street services.” These include things like 24-hour bathroom access, mobile showers, and the Westminster Senior Center storage program. It was informative and insightful. Homelessness is truly awful and ever expanding – thanks in large part to politicians like Bonin who have done nothing to try and get people OFF the streets.

Now that the focus has shifted to a “housing first” model, the city is looking at “every city owned property” in LA. No one has ever made clear why that means on 8 lots are being analyzed (anyone who says there are 12 lots is being super slippery and should not be trusted – there are 12 on the “master” list but the first four are contiguous lots just east of downtown). No one has ever explained why only 3 of LA’s 15 districts have been included in this – with HALF of the lots in Bonin’s CD 11.

What I have said before, and what was evident again last night, is that Bonin SIMPLY WANTS it here. Period. He has a canned “reason” why it can’t be at Dockweiler (“That is county operated,” even though he had been applauding the new partnership between the County and the City during the presentation). A canned “reason” for why it can’t all be somewhere less residential (“Homelessness is everywhere and the solution must be everywhere.”).

When it came time for comments, the tenor of the room changed dramatically. Virtually everyone there was vehemently opposed to the Westminster Storage Center plan. Bonin said it was not the greatest plan but in five years they had not come up with a better solution. The ad hoc committee on homelessness in Venice came up with a better, cheaper, more thorough plan in 45 days. Many residents spoke about Thatcher Yard and how building housing for the homeless there is a terrible idea. There was zero discussion about the Venice median lot until I spoke briefly and again encouraged Mike to sell and build MORE HOUSING IN A BETTER AREA helping MORE PEOPLE in LESS TIME.

As yet, no details have been released about these projects – the deadline for submissions from developers is the 15th of September.

It was so painfully obvious that pretty much the only people in that room who supported building housing on these lots were those that stand to make money on the development. VCH trotted out several employees. The mobile shower company (which has been contracted and will start in Venice by the end of the year) was happy. Anyone who is pro building fewer units and jumping the myriad hurdles Venice possesses is only interested in one thing – money – not in actually helping the most people. Their ideology shows their goals. Their endgame is not ending homelessness by housing everyone. It is doing it IN VENICE. While nearly all of the speakers made comments suggesting that reasonable percentages of low-income and PSH would be lauded, that simply wasn’t good enough for Bonin. His tone was EXACTLY the same as it was when we met a few months ago…He is “listening,” but he doesn’t seem to be changing his behavior in any fashion.

I thank all of you who came and stood up for our neighborhood. If Bonin were more willing to work with us – rather than talk at us – I think we could actually make everyone happy. But watching him move unilaterally on the Westminster Storage Center project is frightening to say the least. Bonin is acting like a tzar – taking over properties, allocating resources to his projects, and plugging his ears to block the voices of residents. Maybe the hundreds of people who spoke made a dent this time. We have to hope so.

I will continue to keep you posted on things as I learn more. Thank you again.