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TSA Unveils 98-Unit Homeless Complex for Thatcher Yard

Rendering of entrance to Thomas Safran Associates’ Thatcher Yard Project that will have both senior (69) and family housing (29) for a total of 98 units with 50 percent being permanent supportive housing.

TSA (Thomas Safran Associates) was shy a couple units for a full R1.5 zone with two 35 percent density bonuses when associates and Thomas Safran discussed their proposed project to the members of the Oxford Triangle Association (OTA) Monday night in the Woods at Playa  Vista.

TSA proposed 98 units.  The Venice Update had an article 15 August 2016 showing the number that could be put on the 93,000 square foot lot when rezoned to R1.5.  The number was 104 – 106.  Councilman Mike Bonin said no way would he let that happen.  Thomas Safran said he was told by Bonin to work it out with the OTA.  Mark Shockley, president of the Oxford Triangle Association made the statement that TSA started with 150 units and he had asked TSA for less than a hundred.

TSA complied by two less of a hundred at 98 and a little less than what could have been with two 35 percent bonuses totally implemented at 104 – 106. 

The Oxford Triangle single-family area consists of approximately 350 single-family homes so an increase of 100 would be almost a 30 percent increase. 

Vehicles will be restricted access into the Triangle but pedestrian access will be allowed. Vehicle ingress/egress will be via Marina Point Drive.

The project will be for seniors and families.  How the PSH will be divided is not known.

It will consist of 98 units, 50 percent of which will be permanent supportive housing (PSH).  People who qualify for PSH have a disability as well as are homeless.  It was asked if being a senior constituted having a disability and a social worker said it did.  A senior is one 62-1/2 years old and older.   Safran further defined the tenant housing makeup as 69 for seniors and 29 for families. 

A coordinated entry system  (CES) implemented by County, City, Community (C3) will be used at least for the PSH selection.   Selection is supposedly based on worst case first and this writer was not familiar with selection by category, such as a senior.

Breakdowns for the senior building bedrooms and the family building bedrooms are shown in photo.

Many residents wanted the density reduced but that was never discussed in detail and they wanted more parking.  Safran said he had complied with parking and that these people did not have vehicles.  One resident mentioned that many were sleeping in cars.  

One resident brought up the fact that Coeur d’Alene school was just maxed out.  He asked if taxes for schools from the project could be directed directly to the Coeur d’ Alene system.  TSA said they would look into that.

Security was mentioned and Safran explained he would have lighting and many cameras and then he added spinklers.

One resident wanted both pedestrians and vehicles restricted from the single-family homes as are the five high-rise buildings on the southern tip of the Triangle.   TSA said that was impossible and most homeowners wanted their exercise path.  One said he would like to have the pedestrian turnstiles that are used for the Jefferson-Marina apartments repeated in the project; otherwise, motorcycles could enter the Triangle.  

Many wanted the project fenced and wrought-iron fencing was mentioned.  One asked how high but a figure was not presented.  One brought up the fact that there was insufficient setback from the sidewalk to put up a fence.

One mentioned that some agenda he had did not list another meeting prior to going to planning for this project.   Thomas Safran said there would be other community meetings.

Unit Breakdown

Complex from Thatcher.

Complex at corner of Princeton (west) and Oxford.

Plot plan view.


Comments (8)

  1. Marie Hammond

    There will be 29 families which I assume will have children. I don’t see much open space for children’s activities.

    • Roger Henderson

      Not to worry the children’s activities will be running for there lives from the perverts who live in the complex.

  2. Lee

    To me it doesn’t fit in with the surroundings.It’s stark and screams of cheap materials being used, drawing nothing from the surrounding community.

  3. Nick Z

    This seems like a reasonable proposal. The problems with homelessness aren’t going to go away until there are more homes. Families and seniors should mitigate the worst fears of the surrounding neighborhood. The key of course is the facility being well managed.

  4. Will

    The design looks nice, not surprising given how tasteful and stylish Safran’s other buildings are. Ive toured a few of them and they do very nice work.

    I love the senior housing aspect of this project, the city is woefully under serving that sector of the community and this type of housing is needed. This neighborhood suits senior living very well too.

    But, 98 units is a lot for this Oxford Triangle. This is a very special area of Venice that has that quiet, secluded, suburban neighborhood feel of being in the valley. Maybe a better option would be to do less number of units, but increase the size of each unit 200sf and increase the amount of public green space.

    If you’re gonna take city land away from tax payers there should be something included that serves the entire community. Same goes for Venice Median. In both these cases I think less is definitely more and if we’re gonna build we should build something that ultimately serves everyone. And we can’t just build for the “right now”. We need to consider how projects like these will benefit the generations of Venetians to come.

    Regardless of the size the city should look into opening the gate to the south to allow traffic into this project and alleviate cars coming to this developmentfrom coming in through the neighborhood from Washington.

    • reta

      The gate on the south you talk about and the one that retains five high rises is to be closed to protect the single-family homes in the Triangle and there is a covenant to assure such. Seems reasonable right. They are 19 stories. This is the same gate retaining those high rises that the architect said Monday he could not use to close off the single-family streets. He had said before he could. Members of the Triangle have asked for nothing. Yet, the group is getting the land and all they have to do is build the project. Funds are from HHH. They can’t close off and protect the single-family residences?

  5. Jim Bradley

    Looks nice.

  6. Steve Rogers

    it’s time

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