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Mansionization … You Get the Picture

Mansionization brings pictures, phrases, and exploding emotions to mind, and even though not defined by Webster, everyone knows what it is.

Mansionization is a buzz word that needs defining. Can it be defined in words? Everyone knows it is the house in a neighborhood that sticks out–definitely misplaced, overbuilt for neighborhood, sore thumb, sickening, yuk. All the adjectives not mentioned too. But is the “yuk” in one neighborhood the same as the “yuk” in another neighborhood?

The Committee, chaired by Sue Kaplan, includes architects, builders, homeowners, and concerned citizens of Venice. They have worked on this answer for Venice for several years. They, an ad hoc committee of the Venice Neighborhood Council (VNC), are ready to present their Recommendation to the Venice Community in anticipation of their formal Board presentation sometime in May.The Los Angeles City Council has been waiting for something like this to, perhaps, incorporate, adapt for Los Angeles. The problem exists throughout Los Angeles.

“We have tried to balance the desire to maintain the diversity and complexity of the Coastal Zone with the need to respect both the City Venice Coastal Zone Specific Plan (VSP) and the state Venice Coastal Zone Land Use Plan (LUP) explicit requirement that mass, scale and character enter fully into the planning process,” wrote Kaplan.

But before this committee makes its presentation, the committee would like to have your input.

“This is ultimately a community response to the difficulties of the VSP and so we are eager to hear what the Venice community, the design professionals and residents alike, think and recommend,” Kaplan wrote. “We will read through every word from the responses and consider them carefully.

“In our report we offer an evaluative form called a ‘Streetscape,’ In the pdf report, the files are filled out forms as samples. In the separate dynamic excel files, you may sample how they work as you fill them out. We hope you will play with them a little and report back to us.”

To obtain the pdf, email Sue Kaplan at: chair.massandscale@venicenc.org. Please submit all comments before 15 April so they can be considered before the VNC presentation in May.

Comments (7)

  1. […] Sue Kaplan { Thank you Toby for inviting everyone to contribute. The more that do participate the stronger the proposal will be. Please do submit comments. The committee wants to hear from everyone and all comments about the recommendation are going to be seriously considered. To make sure everyone can make comment, the… } – 0904 11:06 AM […]

  2. Sue Kaplan

    Thank you Toby for inviting everyone to contribute. The more that do participate the stronger the proposal will be.

    Please do submit comments. The committee wants to hear from everyone and all comments about the recommendation are going to be seriously considered.

    To make sure everyone can make comment, the deadline has been extended to August 29. Toby, I hope this gives you enough time to contribute to the dialogue.

    Thank you everyone for your interest.

    Sue Kaplan, chair, VNC Ad Hoc Committee for Mass, Scale and Character

  3. Lee

    READ THIS! We need to comment! I live in a 1900 sq. ft. house on a 2800 sq. ft. lot. This size home would not be allowed to be built under these new rules and I would not be allowed to add to my square footage on the second story as I was planning to do. I agree mansionization must stop, but these proposed rules are draconian! I will be selling my home if I cannot add to my sq.footage like so many of my neighbors have done. 40% windows on the front of your house, fine if you want a glass box, but I enjoy a more traditional style home and don’t want that much glass, I would say my home is less currently and I see no reason to change it as I remodel! These are just a few of the facts I gleaned from the report link referenced in Nathan’s comment. READ THE REPORT! It greatly effects what you can do to YOUR home in the future and may effect the salability!

    • todd

      Sad thing is, if these rules go through, your property wont be worth much because it will be limited to the size it currently is at. Even if you wanted to remodel it, you might have to bring it to the size suggested by this proposal.

    • toby

      With these rules in place, if you wanted to sell it, it wont be worth much because of the limits placed on what you could do with property.

  4. Toby

    Everyone needs to comment on the proposed mass scale and character recommendations to the VNC. The comment period is only 2 weeks long at this point and they want to push this through by next month.

    Here is a snapshot of what you can look forward to if they get this through…

    45% FAR means a 2500 sqft lot can only build a 1350 sqft house. a 3500 sqft lot can build an 1890 sqft house. a 5000 sqft lot build up to a 2700 sqft house. There are incentives to increase the allowable size of the house being built…but 45% FAR, to me, is below what we actually have currently in Venice on average. (I will publish the results later).

    Curious as to why the chair, who lives on a 3400 sqft lot and lives alone, has 1300 sqft main house, a 450 sqft office and a 450 sqft studio (that’s 2200 sqft of space) resulting in a FAR of 65%. Why does the chair, again, who lives alone, get more space than say a family of 3 or 4 who want to build a house but would be limited to less than 1900 sqft on the same size lot as the chair.

    ask why. whether you agree with the findings or not and you own property…you need to comment on this.

  5. Nathan Court

    You can also get the report directly at this website:

    http://www.venicenc.org/mass-scale-and-character-ad-hoc-committee/

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